k i tried what u suggested n i see that when i convert it like gives a lot more side etc to play with but other than that it dont do much,
do i have to convert into sub divs cos i preferre workin in polys so i guess i could just use the smoothing thing for polys, is it smart to work in sub divs or are polys better, + i duno how i could get round the petally problem because i need them to be joined up in order for it to look like a sharp point.