yeah i get what you mean Mike....its kinda difficult coz the topoly of the torso is actually messy. i tried putting details like the nipples..i also tried the seams in his pants....but the result is ugly. my topology is badly built i only paid much attention on topolgy when i was trying to build the head this is biggest lesson i learn about topoly. so i was thinking maybe it can be remedied with the texture... some bump or displacement maybe... about the rigging...well, i still have the unsmoothened mesh. the smoothed one i render is a smooth proxy. is skinning mentained if i use smooth proxy or do i have to use smooth operation...? well. i guess i'm about to find out... thanks mike vizion sorry i forgot to reply....yes he's got powers. he can concentrate energy and use it however he wants it. like bolts of electricity...fireball...things like that.. cybertec J! hehe salamat bai....patudlo ka maya...way problema na nhan kaayo ko mo-share pra daghan ta. hehe suway2x ra gud ni bai...kadaug pa diay ko sa libro...heheh