Originally posted by Pony your grouping might be off. you probably have the nad's tranlations not reset and nested in some groups or under some joints.. what is a "nad"? Or am I just missing too much sleep due to the challenge. The hand is parented and grouped to joints and geometry. It might be that there is somthing somewhere in those couple of hundred nodes that causes all of this? hehehe. I temporary found a workaround for it .... cut to the next scene. I just didn't have enough time to get it done properly for the march/april challenge. Have a look at my post under the newbies final theard. I'll be out for a couple of days (celibrate my baby girl's 2nd birthday), but I will get back at this when Ive returned.