hi ben, no those are just me working things out as i went along. i've only done occlusion, reflection, particles, lights, wings and beauty as passes so far. i think i will break up my beauty pass a bit more when i do some more lighting work. I can post them if you are interested, they are in iff format right now tho. wires. https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29..._wires_all.jpg https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y29...ires_persp.jpg