...??? It's new to you and your a senior member, now that gives me little hope ..thanks mate, a couple of people have replied and with the data I have I'm getting there. I did an auto-map but got squares. I'm wondering if I need to look under therm or something, scale them out of the way and see what's under them. I could try planar mapping. When you say 'lay out flat, do you mean literally flat on the grin, the X axis? I have just been projecting from the perspective view and I wouldn't have a clue what angle it was on. I did get a good textured Lambert onto it today via a reply I got about it. looked good even though the map was a bunch of squares.