Hey Fallott No Im not offended at all. Its a work in progress thread so everyone will have their opinions. I have reference as always, so no worries there. The mouth and nose arent finished. The 'root' of the nostril area is one Ive been studying for a while and it becomes more defined the older a woman gets, and I would like to leave this one in her early twenties so not to many lines etc. The lower brow above the eye is alot different on a female compared to a male. The male brow is heavy and deeper but on a female its alot smoother resulting in a more compressed area between the brow and eyelids, this is one area of the face where you can distinguish the difference between the 2 sexes. I still have alot to do on this so it will look right eventually. I have attached a pic of female eyes, notice how smooth and compressed they are. I will be going for something like this. Cheers Jay