Hello once again every one, I am going to work with those loops and hope to get excellent progress from this. Penguin, I get alot of projects done out here because there is not much else to do while I am out here in Iraq, so instead of playing games and stuff like the other soldiers do, I choose to work in maya. I also just like to keep the good people of SM up to date with the current projects. I have learned alot more from this website than I could ever learn from any books. Thanks for the pics of the loops, and I will be sure to work on that cheek area! Thanks for all the C&C Leland Webb