aha cool thread. Yep I have one to tell and its a regular of mine. Whilst sitting on the 'can' I tend to look at the floor tiles and see how they are cut at the corners with strange angles, chances are theres a five sider in there that I want to correct by adding loops to create quaded tiles!! Happens every time!! Jay For a moment I thought you would make a dirty joke and started talking about the edgeflow of a turd. Although I am interested in how stuff works and fits together, I am not thinking about edgeflow when I try to get drunk or when I am away from the computer ...I try to stay a bit sane...not saying you guys are crazy hahahah