Originally posted by Ankalagon You should make model clean and nice from begining til the end cos if you wait for too long you wil end up in mes!!! Jes play around with convert sub-d to poly option, check the vartex option i think and you should get what you want!! Nice model so far BTW!!! i checked the verticy option like you said and it worked! that must have been the only option i didn't fiddle with. thanx now that ive got a rought shape of the head im gonna go back and detail everything nicely, next time i will detail as i go.