yeah critque is not meant to put you down because of yor comments alienscience has proberly gone and deleted the whole thing when it was coming together nice its all looking good at the moment alienscience although I would try to construct the end handle out of polys and then converting it to sub d's that way with creases you can control wether the end needs to be flat you can also control the corners to be sharper to give it that more realistic look Cheers Rob