Originally posted by gster123 Yeah Gen, thats what I was thinking, might be one of those optical things. I do that, make something then pull it apart as I always see something that I dont like, I should rendering layers more often and comp it together properly, then i'll have control, CONTROL I tell YA!!!!! Like how I'm slapping myself on the head because I didn't even think of turning on caustics? Lol aaah next time. Originally posted by Chirone wow pretty... is the colour of the glass actually liquid though? Thank you No liquid just a poly surfaces