Hey All as this site is steered toward the more lesser experienced maya user, can I please ask you to please read any new thread properly and what forum category it is placed under on the site. for example a member has asked in the newbie section how he can create a jubilating crowd for an animation. the first reply was to use Massive. Seriously!?? the member requiring the help obviously has no idea how to to such a thing in Maya let alone Massive. I have tried to lessen the blow by suggesting to use cards with animated footage on, this is probably as simple as can be. so anyway my point is, please can we keep and make it as easy as for members in the newbie section as possible before mentioning the hardcore software that could scar them for life before they have even attempted doing stuff from a more fundemental level. ta very much Jay