Thanks for the comments guys, i was thinking that i post up stuff when i think ive made some progress or im not quite sure if somthing looks right, but i dont post the disasters that interspers them, because looking through the wip its quite a sensitive area, you dont want to mock anyone or be overly critical.

So for those of us who are prepared to use it maybe there should be a disaster forum. where those renders didnt quite come off, or the charactor ended up looking like a freaky accident, where we could have fun poked at us and at others.. might lighten the sometimes earnest atmosphere