You can get them for about $30-40 if you know where to look. I don't know whether your familiar with it or not. The reason I bought the Defiler is it sports one of the strongest weapons in 40K with an awesome range (72 inches), a decent array of secondary weaponry and and great close combat weapons. All in all, for a few points more than a Dreadnought, you can get something a hell of a lot better.