Laurie Yeah absolutely Im in total agreement. Theres way too much of people getting lost on the latest fad because its cool and yet fall at the first hurdle when it comes to the basics, zbrush aside, one of the biggest ones is rendering, the old 'lets use fg and GI, even though I dont have a clue about the basic 3 point light set up'!! yeeehaaaa!! ..... that boils my chicken every time. Benny K: no probs dude, theres lots to be found over there as well, though I dont feel the community in the forums is as helpful as here. The industry news is always available there and its updated quite regularly too, more so than CGS or CG Channel cheers Jay