I have a lot to learn don't I I'm going to take a step back and try to get my head around it all. The model is from a competitors Gn___ DVD . It was a gift for my BD a couple of months ago. The DVD is OK, but too slow and boring to watch. When David announces the Christmas Special offer, I'll buy a few more points and pick up some of the rigging and animation tutorials from here. Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it.