okay well after alot of lookin I finally found some pics I can use as refs for a female face lol... I wish I knew where everyone gets them perfect lined up pics from :angry: anyways after searching I found these and then did a lil photoshop to try and line them up more there still a tad bit off.... but with a lil moving of the planes in maya it should work fine . I'll post an update as soon ad I get it started on the modeling part Im on the hunt for a tut or 2 on the proper way to model non nurbs human head things if you have any sugs pls post. Thnx~ Eddie