Well, I took the scene file from a couple back ... I save alot and redid the scale all objects using the method provided by Danny in one of my previous threads and all seems to be fine. Although, I would really liek to know what I did that made Maya behave such that when I picked some geometry it immmediately created a duplicate of the gemetry on top of the original geometry when I right clicked and selected vertex over the geometry and then when I completed the vertex moves it created the new geometry leaving me with the original and the new ..... Any thoughts ...... ???? Cheers, Don. It's 6:00 a.m. should I start a new day or just carry on with the old one ..... perhaps I should just blur them together.