to terril: the only reason these models look so good is cause they have loads of experience which helps them understand how to model something - they started out just like all the rest of us, but they just kept on practicing and practicing, and won't stop til their models look like they're supposed to.

if you keep on practicing and follow tutorials, you'll eventually get this good. ya just gotta work on it.

(btw nice gloves arran. are they textured too, or is there just a colored material thrown on?)