cheers r@nSid. hopefully/unfortunately I was just being impatient, i'll try givin it a little longer to load. or head to turbosquid. did i see from one of your posts elsewhere that you use xsi? i downloaded the mod tool. ive had a little look at max before, i find it so hard to get used to a different 3d program other than maya....what do you think of xsi? i saw in it that there was a male figure model, and i thought about importing that to maya, but i cldnt get my head round how it was done, the folder structure in xsi kinda(really) confuses me.