LOL thanks dave....mate thats the back ref Im using...and just about every image I see...no legs are straight...its either the suit or they are all born cowboys?? LOL...you think its ok? I looked everywhere for an internal arm ref but couldnt see any...I guess it wont be seen eh....I will change the knee pads slightly...saw some nicer shaped ones...then I will give him a hand up I think, Im kinda not liking the leg pose either..LOL...

cheers bullet

P.S I am going to give it a break for a week though....I think Im hitting a dead end detail wise ATM