Matt Its not a case of 'who cares' and yeah Im sure it is for fun, but as Tim says its a WiP thread and if you ask for opinions and help you will get them. And if you cant stand crit dont post at all. Id rather be honest in my opinions etc than glossing over work and blinding the poor dude with lies. I myself dont consider my work to better than the next guy. You have to be honest with yourself or who are you kidding at the end of the day? Anyway less rant, carry on... Jay