the little bit that i have tryed scared me in that my mesh got very hard to manage very quikly i was also haveing dificulty because i had assumed to start from a sphere and this was not pulling into the shapes that i wanted in the end the isoparms were going the wrong way creating strangness. so i was looking for for a way to build the mesh from scratch as it were ... i have since found a few tut's so will work thru them and see where i get there ... hum MAYA MAYA MAYA