Hey All thought I'd post this piece that I borrowed from ConceptArts' forum. Its a marketing piece from Prince of Persia... Basically on the left is the raw 3d file with severe joint probs, severe cloth sim and color for starters. On the right right a beautiful rendering for the final product, lots of PS work to make it right. Just shows what you can get away with and bluff the audience. I think its a good example to show some of you what you can achieve without breaking your soul in 3d and constantly fighting rigs etc...let it go and finish in PS if its not animated. I do this sort of thing daily... Jay