Hey, Like this? https://www.digitalplanetdesign.com/i...nt=dpd&media=4 or https://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=281290 Actually, I have a whiter clock one that isn't online, but it basically was just that scene with the intensities up a bit. Just 1 directional with shadows off, and two spotlights with shadows on. Depth shadows, with the filter on 5. You can't use incandescence because it cancels out the shadow. You can't assign a light to just the bg, because of the same. Try upping the diffuse on the bg to 1, so it displays all the light it is receiving. sjlocke