Thanks, I have just managed to get some docs on 'texture displacement' off the net... But to be honest I want to learn to "chisel" them out somehow.... If possible? But to be honest, I'm very surprised at the answers I got. Is it really That hard to cut out text? in Maya and make a bevel.... And Alan, do you mean that if I get the rendering right , (I'm now borrowing Maya 6 so have MRay ) it would be better using Nurbs? If so - thats my question - How do you "Cut" the letters out of the nurbs cube? because I really would like to use the bevels on the letters on a close up "Tomb" face to create some nice effects (Well at least try!!!) with the moonlight if at all possible.. So I would lile a real 3D bevel to play with, I have no idea how to use displacement maps to create different bevels. so will get into my tut's I thought???? It would be easy to extrude somehow? Well just shows how wrong you can be, a "SEA" or "Hair" No Problem Cut a name out of a square block - nope.... come back in Maya 12 Life and Maya aint fair (sometimes) - Scraggy