Heh Hey Arran, No rigging necessary, everything is going to be done in Zb3, including facial expression and head position. If I had time I'd probably build a body but Outlaws takes precedence over everything like that right now... Steve: I tried out Zproject on texturing last night, hehehhehehhehehehehehhehehehehehehhe...do it!!! Talk about put the PS clone tool in 3d space!!! and its very fast too... Will update shortly/late....at some point today Cheers Jay