That suburu tut still fascinates me. I still have things to learn from it. I apologize for my lack of updates. Here is the start of the work on the floater. I tried to use the birail tools and the boundry tool, but the loft tool seems to work great. I made the curves and lofted them. The trick is to tweak the cv's of the surface to get that shape I want. The rear part is ok. The middle part is gonna be ok. The issue now is to tweak the lofted surface to shape the front part.