Thanks David...yeh I guess I could have worked more on it...but I was over mate....I have learned a s**tload doing it and will well and truly look at my next own model in different view! I have the HK25 in here and I will be doing that with a little more respect and knoweldge...more so as the only ref I had was my imagination LOL.

I will also apply the 'machine' flow a little better as I would seriously like to delete and redo the Lancaster I started. That is a plane I want to get around to again...I said I would do it and I would still like to, in memory of my Grandad and his mates that came from Australia and went to England to fight.

I do hope it does get easier LOL!

cheers Ant