Got around to playing with this again. I never claimed to be fast.

- Mister p., I do indeed plan to retire in 2007, from the Navy. Hopefully I'll have Maya down well enough to do something with it. I'll be 40 then, still a lot a miles left in me... I hope.

-Falott, I'm using edge extrusions only because I like the way detail is added as you go vice starting with a bunch of vertices then having to manipulate them into place... but that's just me. I've seen your full body WIP, so I know you're well ahead of me in modeling ability.

- Paul, yep had a coworker snap some shots of me, with little X's all over my gourd.

To all, still a long way to go, and the edge loops are kicking my... while trying to get everything back into quads. I suppose thats one major advantage with starting with a cylinder or cube... oh well the whole point is to learn isn't it.