Not at all arran, you are probably right and I think the legs are going to still need work to get things right. With regards to the pose, I am not really to concerned about this since I plan to rig him so I can set up a far more dramatic pose. I need to get things right with the modeling before I can do this though. I will keep pluging away to try and get things right. Hopefully at the end of this I will have a much better idea of anatomy which will help me complete some of my other models. Cheers, Leon