well, i think it happens to everybody once in a while. my hdd in my notebook crashed. ok partly it was my fault as i accidentally bumped the notebook while it was running. but still, it does not change a bit that the old disk is now unuseable. what is the problem with notebook harddisks? are notebooks not supposed to be still alive when they do get bumped a bit? if you have to be treated as a raw egg, how are you to transport them - is not the idea that they are mobile? i think i had enough rant for now. and i am slowly putting the installation back together - boring. the positive thing about it - i will have a fresh install on my new 30 gig drive (they dont sell 20 any more which i had before). thanks for listening