thanks,

Yeh, I thought I may have resort to adding an extra bone in the upperarm and forearm. I was hoping to use some sort of weighting or deformer setup as the rig I want to use does not have these joints already in place and I'm sure that adding bones may screw up the expressions, etc..

The rig is called 'Adanced skeleton' created here in Australia. It is free download 'trial version' from Highend 3d.

I would love to download that tut file. How large is the file?

re Jim