bit of an update. I had to rebuild the blend shapes, due to only building half of them first - doh! :shakehead I imagine I could stand to do a bit more work on the weights and I need to do something about his elbows. I need to look into influence objects, i think. I have rigged his body and that caused a few headaches as well. I have also made the arms on his gown shorter as that was causing me some problems when I tried to skin it. Dealing with the gown is really showing me that I am out of my depth. Would I use joints to deal with the bottom half? and how do I get those joints to follow the movement of the leg? so little time and I just downloaded r-type. :shakehead