I hope you can post your work here when your done, how are you doing your tyer is it a bump map.........dave yup its a bump but depending on time i might actually model the tyre tread I circled a few places that looked like the edges are curving in too much. Also, your images probably don't need to be so large (just don't want them to delete your posts) i havent gotten to adding "thickness" to those parts yet dont worry about them. i have a 26 inch so i images that are about 640 by 480 really look small and you cant see much of the detail but ill make them smaller P.S murambi (and anyone else) have you guys got a dropbox account or yousendit or similar?? I try to put my pics in there then just post the link to SM. Keeps the site clutter free and you can put really good hi res pics in there without the need to resize. Just a thought i usually dont like to do that cause sometimes people really feel lazy(myself included) to start clicking on those links to view images so i like to make it as easy as possible to view the images