HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - that does make much more sence. The other way just looked silly - silly me. Only problem with that look is the fact I would lose the shape of the horde logo - but many thanks. This is my fav set of wings so far - the ones from the first renders - scaled down from 1 to 0.45 and I think I`m going to play about with this for awhile as this is what I had in mind when I designed this thing. At least at that point I was happy with them. But going to go THX idea a quick play with