thanks Surfer,
I am doing the poly's to sub D's then back to poly's and so forth, for the head,
started with nurbs for the body, anyway with quite abit of pushing and pulling, I am happy with the way she looks, I will carry on with the body then go back to the head and look at it with fresh eyes,
I reduced the ears bent them and rotated them this way and that way
https://www.mvorster.co.uk/SimplyChal...te-1-06-05.gif

Dae:zzz: