Thanks guys, GateKeeper in do time i'll try to get some tutorials made but at the moment iam so busy and iam still learning to. want to make sure i got my facts straight before i start teaching. ereitz For the eyelashes i know of 3 ways of the top of my head. 1 you could use maya fur and paint them. 2 you take one poly shape it to a eyelash and then place the rest by had. 3 you could put a whole polygon that is bent some like in the shape of eyelashs and then paint a map in photoshop, with a transparency map and do it like that. Which one am i gonna do hmmmmm ? still thinking about that one.