Hey please people take a chill pill please very long toes here @ daverave; thanks @ Mayaniac; I really don't want to make him to buff like superhero buff just a regular joe with a bullwhip @Coldwave; Thanks for your comments and yes I want to get into the industry (not at all costs however I want to enjoy what I do so rather fun stuff at a small studio than pointless grueling work at a large studio where you are a number), I appreciate the comments I don't get the drawover to be quite honest I agree with you however that there is still something not right with the look of the model. I have made some progress but I had a ZBrush crash so it got lossed :angery: And just relax mayaniac doesn't mean it like that