Wow, i was so excited that when I pulled up simply maya i held the option button down to scroll. HAHa, well anyway I did HAHA, yeah finally got union tool to work again and still i have no idea what i did differently. Oh well, the mystery of maya i suppose. Thanks guys for the help, it really means a lot to. :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: :attn: