Hey big thanks for both of your replies, exactly what i was looking for. Unfortunatly I don't have an update this time, cause I hit a hitch with modeling the head and put my focus back on 2 other projects. Both are being done 3dsmax, one you can find here: Harold. The other project isn't ready to be posted and probably wont be for at least another week Anyway I hope to have an update on this guy by the end of the week, and he'll be closed to being finished. Thanks again, Cheers!