Hi Friends, yeah i smoothed it twice. after joopsons post, i returned the model to smooth +1, and added a hell of edges and faces. now it looks definiatly better, and i have about 15000 now, with smooth +1. i modified the ears a bit, the eye is different (maybe still too far from head?) and the tusks are shorter, as this will be a small baby elephant :attn: yeah thats a really good idea with the toes. can't wait to let him, walk :attn: cheers and thanks for the comments, mike