Originally posted by taquion This works well in mental ray with raytracing global ilumination and final gathering activated. woah! thats a bit excessive. you can get a good metal if you have an environment to reflect... thats all you really need plus a little raytracing. you should get a blinn with the colour set to black and then play around with the reflections and stuff. it would be a good way to learn rather then using any presets or whatever.