Wizzie Some interesting points, I did kinda get lost thru your thread a bit, (no offence) I think most people are chilled about it though myself being one of them. As always panic starts at the drop of a hat, nobody likes change at the best of times when something has been good for so long. Although we have SSS, hair, cloth and fluids to name a few, 3d is still in a evolutionary stage and we are all probably looking at the next stage forward in that evolution.. Cheers Jay