Thanks guys there is reference pics I am using I just dont diplsy them in my perspective mode, I will be cracking on with it over the weekend so hopefully have some things else to show beginning of the week @ben Thnaks its just the start hoping to make progress...Hey I have still got those things to send you I just have been so busy with uni and work and a lot of travelling...if you send me your addy I will get them in the post to you has I have finished uni now How your progress going ? I.M me or email me Jason