I intend to create the ears at separate geometry and not attach them till almost the very end I spent a while fixing technical problems with this so I forgot what ive changed and what I havent so please let me know what ive forgotten next ill add the tendons in the neck thanks for the tutorials, they should really help as you can probably tell from the background im having 'issues' with my reference images edit: looking at it now looks like I havent really moved the cheek bone up