I see what you're getting at. Want to know the funny thing bro? up there i said i can copy things if i see them, from what i look at, to a blank sheet of paper with pencil, ect.... Just like with 3d, i could never draw a face, even when attempting to copy from an existing image. I suppose I'll pick up one of those pocket sketch pads and take to work with me, to sketch while I'm not busy, see what i can come up with. though i can guarantee it will not be pretty lol G-man