Originally posted by BabyDuck snails pace? dont expect wonders. i suggest before you try to create complex things as muscles to first learn to model and model and model. learn how easy it can be to create different muscle definition by pulling only a few verts or cvs around. happy mayaing I got the majority of the Muscle knowledge of pulling and moving on the faces and vertexes it’s just the definition on the abs and the B-hind area’s that have me stumped