hey dude, i have been using max since 1.5(i think).and still use it today.like somebody else said above maya will taste like a bitter gourd if youre completly up maxe's arse . we use both at the studio.but logo work goes to max.since the renderers began flooding the market... final render, brazil and all,our max artists started putting the mayans to shame...so i guess it's the artist after all. i use both...or rather am trying to get with the maya way,it's a bit frustrating but it'll pass. i think going with maya is logical at this point of time because alias is looking at capturing a wider user base...i.e more individuals rather than big studios.and hence are really giving the user almost everything in one place.maya 4.5 is another big step for the individual... go maya. b