Thanks for your kind words of encuragement, Yes mastone you are right about the nose and eyes, was going to try to fix the nose with a bump map along the red lines I have drawn, a bit of tweeking on the bridge in yellow and move the tear duct (green)to be more in line with the nose.Ears I need some more ref at this moment. ctbram as soon as I can find any ref for a chiefs head dress I will incorperate it, if not I will copy some of the style of the females head dress and beef it up a bit. legendofzombi alas once I have done the texturing I think all signs of youth will be gone? may be a twincle in his eye. mikeyduf not sure ears size is wrong at this moment but will keep a open mind.............thanks all for your comments dave